anje 1185763696|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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I feel like I am the only one still contributing and I'm being terribly bad and hogging all the information… :(
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anje 1185763696|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Where is everyone?
Kazbah 1183822056|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Suggestions » Victorian text-books, papers, etc.
It does make sense to put them under both, for easy reference; I'm wary of making things too complicated, especially as I've never contributed to a wiki before, so I've been leery of doing that. Another option - just to make things more complex - might be to create a whole separate category for academic books produced by Victorian authors, sub-categorised according to topic (antiquarianism/folklore, history, sciences, etc.).
anje 1183567126|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Suggestions » Victorian text-books, papers, etc.
Yes it does, but than maybe the sub-category for Texts Produced by Victorian Historians should be under literature?
Perhaps you can put it both under literature and under history.
Kazbah 1183566336|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Suggestions » Victorian text-books, papers, etc.
Well, I'm thinking more along the lines that histories produced about the Victorians is not the same as histories produced by the Victorians. I wonder if there ought to be a Victorian Academics/Antiquarians category, or whether there ought to be a sub-category within History for texts produced by Victorian historians/antiquarians themselves. Does that make sense?
anje 1183428041|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Suggestions » Victorian text-books, papers, etc.
Hmm, maybe we should make a sub-category under Victorian History about towns, cities, etc.
Kazbah 1183352778|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Suggestions » Victorian text-books, papers, etc.
The history of my home town, Macclesfield, is presented by Mr Isaac Finney in his publication of 1873, entitled Macklesfelde In Ye Olden Time. Now, fabulously entertaining as it is (especially to a native), its home really isn't in Victorian Literature. Is it in Victorian History, perhaps in a sub-category, or, given the enthusiasm for antiquarianism, in Culture?
anje 1183253775|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
Oh, you explain it much better with the tree metaphor. I think that is a very good description of the different values and ideals and how they stemmed off of the basics. :)
Gilded Goldie 1183143071|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
I think the ability to distribute magazines and books more cheaply and widely has a lot to do with the reach of influence even in the American West. The pioneering of the west certainly changed the way people lived but once settled, society influences still were trickled down from the same sources. I think the biggest difference for settlers was the value changes. Women being scarce, a woman able to take care of the homestead was essential and most highly valued rather than one who has been pampered and is the perfect lady. I don't really think it makes for a sub era but a tangent of the same, just as we were warring in the 1860's and other countries were not necessarily or the Bohemian movements in Europe- not everyone was a Bohemian but it is still a part of the story in that time .. I think essentially what was being said was that it's all connected history like tree branches rather than each twig being separate from the tree somehow with each era being another tree in the greater forest. When you discount the Edwardian era and just encompass it in the Victorian you are skipping over that tree as if it did not exist. We may see it as similar or the values that 'defined' what is Victorian the same in subsequent/previous eras but as Kazbah said they would have been very aware of the movement into a new chapter of history. The only real example I can think of (and maybe because it's so heavily on my mind lately) is the changing of presidency here in the states. We're fairly conscious of the beginning of something new when that happens. Life still charges on but often in totally new directions on a large scale.
Wow! When I view the Victorian era it is often a very broken up view since my focus is Fashion reproduction and there are so many drastically different styles. It's very cool to have a place to come to refocus and see it as whole!
anje 1183065799|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
I'd just like to mention that the American West was certainly a different way of living than in Victorian England and yet the time frames generally are the same. I think that within an era, you can have "sub-eras", so to speak.
Kazbah 1182933712|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
This is my first time using a wiki, so I'm massively impressed by whatever you do!
Kazbah 1182933668|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
Hoops it is.
The American Civil War did have an incredible effect on the UK - I come from an area known for its spinning and weaving, so you can imagine the horrible consequences of blockades of cotton in an era with no real safety nets for the poor. However, to us, "Civil War" is the English Civil War of 1642-51, Roundheads and Cavaliers and all that :) There are quite a few American Civil War re-enactors over here, which my American husband finds very weird - I don't know why, seeing as he thought it was perfectly reasonable for people in the US to re-enact European historical events! :)
Gilded Goldie 1182904692|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
I agree with you. I'd also like to add that Victorian England was not only the empire that touched the most of our world then but was also the model for it. Ettiquette, and deportment and all things fashionable (of course France too had a big role in fashion) were modled after English high society. So it's understandable that the era would be described by the most influential monarch of the time.
On that note I most often hear about the hoop period being refered to as the Civil War era referring of course to the American Civil War and many (Americans anyway) incorrectly think of this as a separate period from the Victorian era, playing more into that stop-start sort of history you described. Certainly life was affected in the US but the to the rest of the world it wasn't necessarily the Civil War era. Is this just refered to as the hoops era in the UK or as Civil War?
Kazbah 1182849475|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
It's true that "eras" are simply artificially imposed categories that give the false impression of a stop-start sort of history, but the Victorian age really ended in 1901, which saw the beginning of the Edwardian age. Of course people didn't suddenly stop what they were about and begin a whole new life, but they were very conscious of it being a new era.
Now, I'm not a monarchist by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a fact of British life that our history has been defined by the reigns of our monarchs. It may be my age showing, but it goes very much against the grain to refer to 1901-1926 as "Victorian" - that's the Edwardian into Georgian period. To ignore the fact that general trends take time to blend into each other plays into the "stop-start" idea of history, but to ignore two whole, well-defined eras - especially as they profoundly affected the general populace - seems somewhat perverse. It's like designating the entire Danish line as House of Wessex - just a thirty-odd year blip of no significance.
There hasn't been a change of monarch in my lifetime, but my parents and grandparents and great-aunts and uncles saw Edward die, George take over, then Edward, then George, then Elizabeth, and even those stout socialists amongst them were deeply affected by those events. I expect that (perhaps against my will) when Elizabeth dies, it will be a shock to my system, and that when Charles becomes king, I shall be very conscious of my having lived through one era and into another.
This really wasn't meant as a rant, or to be snappy or ill-natured. I do, though, believe that it is worth maintaining a balance between remembering that there is no stop-start in history and that, for the people living then, the death of a monarch and the ascension to the throne of a new monarch was a profound change.
"since QUEEN victoria was english why was it refered to in almost every country as the "victorian era" She did not reign the world!"
Good question. I believe the answer is that she ruled a massive empire and had the world's most powerful navy. Britain was, in those days, utterly disproportionately powerful, and our culture, trade, and armed conflicts affected most of the world. America aside, all the Anglophone nations were contained within the empire, just as they're mostly now part of the Commonwealth. We were a tad out of control then. Nowadays, we're still stuck with people who think we have a strong political partnership with the US, and believe that we ought to be in charge of the EU or we'll take our toys home. Dreams of empire die hard for some, it seems :)
Kazbah 1182847771|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Suggestions » Articles on Museum/Library Collections
There have been some lovely articles floating about of late concerning the Victorian/Edwardian era, such as this article on the contentious publication of Mrs Rundell's famous cookbook and domestic guide - but, like that article, they tend to range about, often with information on other, related, topics. This article, for example, sets the publisher's archive in context, and follows up with thumbnail biographies of other women of the time who took the publishing world by storm. So does it belong in history, culture, cuisine, literature, gender?
Thanks! :)
Gilded Goldie 1182633999|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » What is your favorite period in the Victorian Era?
I started out as a hoop gal! That's really all I did, then I found Truly Victorian patterns and started to play with other eras! I still really love the late hoop (around 1864-65) as well I like the eliptical hoops rather than the round. And I find myself being drawn over and over to the natural form years too although I don't wear NF that well. I think I'm too curvy! lol! I love that last plate! The cream and blue taylored number is awesome! Here's a favorite hoop plate of mine!
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anje 1182538900|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » What is your favorite period in the Victorian Era?
Oooh, bustles are so pretty, but as I'm a Civil War/American History buff…I must stay true to the beloved hoop skirt. :)
I like it just when it starts to become longer at the back, veeeeery early bustles.
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Gilded Goldie 1181069431|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » What is your favorite period in the Victorian Era?
I'm an Early Bustle gal, my very favorite years being 1874-1876! I love the slimmer skirts that started appearing around 1875 and the increasingly artistic draping of the overskirts. This is one of my favorite from 1875! 
I Love this one too! 
Okay your turn! What are your favorites?
What is your favorite period in the Victorian Era? by Gilded Goldie, 1181069431|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Karakuri Boy 1176318209|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
uh yeah she sortakiiinda pretty much did =/ it's a "roman era" thing, they didn't have everywhere but it's still the age of the romans.
and the victorian era did petty much continue right to the great war, in fact you could argue it didn't really end until 1926 (i think) when the commonwealth countries were finally made fully autonomous.
for the reasons of really really awesome looking machinery though, you have to at *least* include the great war.
edit: factuality should take a backseat to really good stories, i think is my point. =)
KimBooSan 1176309883|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
Quite frankly, I don't know if I do! LOL! I'm new to being admin on a wiki, so I'm learning the ropes. We might have to put up a poll elsewhere; but I don't think it should be put to vote for a few months yet. I've got time to wing it! hahaha!
Lady Fleur 1176308321|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in discussion Development / Discussion » Limits of Victorian era?
LOL I agree!! Do you have polling options??
